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Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3 Ryzen 5 6600H Rtx 3050 32Gb 2Tb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3 Ryzen 5 6600H Rtx 3050 32Gb 2Tb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 24.9 * 249.6 * 359.6 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.25 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type 4GB GDDR6 type
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 2 terabyte (tb)
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 15.6 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 45Wh 4-Cell Battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers with Nahimic Audio technology
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - Ryzen 5000 series / 6 cores / 12 GHz / 7nm lithography
GPU Details -
RAM Type -
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 120 hertz (hz)
Other Display Features - 250 nits brightness / 800:1 contrast ratio / 45% NTSC color gamut coverage
Wireless Communication Details -
USB Type C Port Details - 1 USB Type-C port (USB 3.2 Gen 1)

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Legion Pro 5i Core i7-13700HX RTX 4060 32GB 2TB

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Legion Pro 5i Core i7-13700HX RTX 4060 32GB 2TB

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 26.7 * 260.3 * 363.4 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.5 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type 8GB GDDR6 type
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 2 terabyte (tb)
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 16 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 QHD - 2560×1600
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 4-cell battery with 80 Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers with Nahimic Audio technology
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 13th Gen Core i7 processors / 16 cores / 24 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
GPU Details -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details - NVMe PCIe SSD
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 240 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
Wireless Communication Details -
Webcam Details - 1080p FHD / Tobii Horizon support

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith HP 250 G9 Core i5-1235U Iris Xe 16GB 512GB

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

HP 250 G9 Core i5-1235U Iris Xe 16GB 512GB

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 19.9 * 242 * 358 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 1.74 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type -
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 15.6 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 3-cell lithium-ion battery with 41 Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true true
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology Internal stereo speakers
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 12th Gen Core i5 processors / 10 cores / 12 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details -
Refresh Rate - 60 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
Other Display Features - 250 nits brightness / 45% NTSC color gamut coverage
Wireless Communication Details -
Charger Type -
Webcam Details -

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Chromebook C340 11

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Chromebook C340 11

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 290 * 207.8 * x 17.8 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 1.18 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz -
Cache Memory Size -
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type -
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 11.6 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 HD - 1366×768
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true false
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true false
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity Lithium-ion battery with 42 Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true false
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS Chrome OS
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology -
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
Panel Technology -

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Thinkbook 16 G6 Irl Core I7 13700H Iris Xe 24Gb 1Tb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Thinkbook 16 G6 Irl Core I7 13700H Iris Xe 24Gb 1Tb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 17.5 * 253.5 * 356 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 1.7 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type -
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1 terabyte (tb)
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 16 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 WUXGA - 1920×1200
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 71Wh 4-Cell Battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false true
Card Reader true true
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers with Dolby Audio support
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 13th Gen Core i7 processors / 14 cores / 20 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details -
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 60 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
Other Display Features - 16:10 aspect ratio / 300 nits brightness / 1000:1 contrast ratio
USB Type C Port Details -

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Thinkpad E16 Gen 1 Core I7 13700H Iris Xe 24Gb 1Tb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Thinkpad E16 Gen 1 Core I7 13700H Iris Xe 24Gb 1Tb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 19.85 * 247.7 * 356.1 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 1.81 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type -
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1 terabyte (tb)
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 16 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 WUXGA - 1920×1200
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity Battery with 57 Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false true
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers with Dolby Atmos support
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 13th Gen Core i7 processors / 14 cores / 20 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details -
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 60 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
Other Display Features - 16:10 aspect ratio / 300 nits brightness
USB Type C Port Details -
Charger Type -

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Lenovo Thinkpad E14 Core I5 1335U Iris Xe 8Gb 512Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Lenovo Thinkpad E14 Core I5 1335U Iris Xe 8Gb 512Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 17.99 * 219.3 * 313 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 1.43 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type -
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 14 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 WUXGA - 1920×1200
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity Battery with 57 Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false true
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers with Dolby Atmos support
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 13th Gen Core i5 processors / 10 cores / 12 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details -
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 60 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
Other Display Features - 16:10 aspect ratio / 300 nits brightness / 800:1 contrast ratio / 45% NTSC color gamut coverage
USB Type C Port Details -
Charger Type -
Webcam Details -

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Msi Gs72 6Qe Stealth Pro Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 6Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Msi Gs72 6Qe Stealth Pro Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 6Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 19.9 * 287 * 418 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.6 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz 2.6GHz to 3.5GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type 6GB GDDR5 type
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk Hybrid Storage
Display Size 15.6 inch 17.3 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false false
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true false
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false false
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity Lithium-ion battery with 55Wh capacity
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) 4:00 hour (h)
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true true
Operating System Type No proprietary OS DOS / No OS
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology Four internal stereo speakers made by Dynaudio company with Nahimic Audio amplifier along with a subwoofer
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
Internal Memory Details - 1TB 7200rpm hard disk with 128GB NVMe SSD storage

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Msi Ge63 Raider Rgb 10Sf Core I7 10875H Rtx 2080 32Gb 1512Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Msi Ge63 Raider Rgb 10Sf Core I7 10875H Rtx 2080 32Gb 1512Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 29.5 * 260 * 383 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.62 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type 8GB GDDR6 256-bit
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1512GB (1TB HDD and 512GB SSD)
Storage Type Hard Disk Hybrid (HDD and SSD)
Display Size 15.6 inch 15.6 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 51Wh 6-Cell Battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) 1 to 3 hours
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology Yes, internal stereo speakers
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
RAM Type -
Internal Memory Details - 5400 RPM Hard Disk Drive / NVMe type SSD
Panel Technology -
Refresh Rate - 144 hertz (hz)
Display Panel Coating Type - Matte
USB Type C Port Details - 1x USB Type-C port

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Msi Gs73Vr 6Rf Stealth Pro Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 6Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Msi Gs73Vr 6Rf Stealth Pro Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 6Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 19.6 * 284 * 411 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.43 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz 2.6GHz to 3.5GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type 6GB GDDR5 type
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk Hybrid Storage
Display Size 15.6 inch 17.3 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false false
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false false
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 65Wh Lithium-polymer Battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) -
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true true
Operating System Type No proprietary OS DOS / No OS
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology 2 x 2W speakers by Dynaudio
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
Internal Memory Details - 1TB 7200rpm hard disk with 128GB NVMe SSD type storage

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Msi Gs70 Stealth Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 3Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Msi Gs70 Stealth Core I7 16Gb 1Tb 3Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 21.8 * 287 * 418 millimeter (mm)
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 2.66 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz 2.6GHz to 3.6GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk Hybrid Storage
Display Size 15.6 inch 17.3 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 FHD - 1920×1080
Touchscreen Capability false false
Ethernet Port true true
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false false
VGA Port false false
HDMI true true
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true false
Thunderbolt Support false false
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false false
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity Lithium-ion battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) 5:00 hour (h)
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true true
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true true
Operating System Type No proprietary OS Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
Internal Memory Details - 1TB hard disk with 128GB SSD

Compare Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gbwith Microsoft Surface Pro 8 Core I5 1235U Iris Xe 8Gb 512Gb

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Acer Aspire Vx5 591G 74Af Core I7 8Gb 1Tb 4Gb

Microsoft Surface Pro 8 Core I5 1235U Iris Xe 8Gb 512Gb

Size and Dimensions 28.9 * 266 * 389 millimeter (mm) 287.02 x 208.3 x 9.3 mm
Product Weight 2.5 kilogram (kg) 0.89 kilogram (kg)
CPU
Processor Operating Frequency 2.80GHz to 3.80GHz
Cache Memory Size
Dedicated Graphics Processor Specs -
Dedicated Graphics Memory 4GB DDR5 type No dedicated memory
RAM Capacity
Storage Capacity 1TB
Storage Type Hard Disk
Display Size 15.6 inch 13 inch
Display Resolution FHD - 1920×1080 2880×1920
Touchscreen Capability false true
Ethernet Port true false
Wireless Network Capability true true
Bluetooth Support false true
VGA Port false false
HDMI true false
DVI Port false false
USB Type C port true true
Thunderbolt Support false true
Presence of headphone/microphone jack false true
Battery size and capacity Lithium-ion battery with 53Wh capacity 51.5Wh Battery
Battery life (hours) 6 hour (h) Up to 16 hours with normal use
Optical Drive false false
Webcam true true
Backlit Keyboard true false
Fingerprint Sensor false false
Card Reader true false
Operating System Type No proprietary OS -
Speaker Type Two internal speakers with Dolby Audio technology Two stereo speakers with 2W power with Dolby Atmos support
Equivalent Name Acer Aspire VX 15 VX5-591G -
CPU Generation -
Processor Details - 12th Gen Core i5 processors / 10 cores / 12 threads / 10nm lithography
Integrated Graphics with Processor -
RAM Type -
Pixel Density on Display -
Panel Technology - IPS LCD with LED backlight
Refresh Rate - 120 hertz (hz)
Other Display Features - 10-point multi-touch capability / 3:2 aspect ratio / Dolby Vision support
Wireless Communication Details -
Webcam Details -
Keyboard Type - Detachable keyboard (sold separately)
Touchpad Type - On detachable keyboard (sold separately)